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Post by Ol Jimmy on Sept 12, 2004 14:50:25 GMT -5
Thoughts on the new album?
"Tobacco" - Holy Streams of Whiskey, Batman! "Factory Girls" - Brilliant. "Seven Deadly Sins" - Holy Run Runaway Batman!
Great stuff, but I keep wincing whenever I hear the more obvious "borrowed" stuff.
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Post by goodbar on Sept 12, 2004 18:59:31 GMT -5
i don't think it's been released in the US yet. i'm pretty sure it's the 14th.
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Sept 13, 2004 17:06:48 GMT -5
i don't think it's been released in the US yet. i'm pretty sure it's the 14th. Thats true but i got my copy today because I preordered it awhile ago.
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Post by Barnacle Brian on Sept 13, 2004 21:19:55 GMT -5
I'm listening to the new album right now. ;D
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Post by OHara on Sept 13, 2004 22:50:42 GMT -5
The album is a masterpiece. Watch them on Jimmy Kimmel on Monday Sept. 13th on ABC.
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 16, 2004 3:55:11 GMT -5
I liked the first two better. Definatly some good tracks on it though. they also "borrowed" mcalpines fusiliers for screaming at the wailing wall and south australia for 7 deadly sins.
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Post by PAT on Sept 16, 2004 11:50:56 GMT -5
I will have to get it
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Post by WhiskyTrekker on Sept 18, 2004 20:03:16 GMT -5
I think this is a great album but it strikes me as less punk and more adult contemporary...which i don't mind! Makes me ponder my whisky rather than smash my glass... The three albums on constant rotation makes for one great night...if you have a five disc player throw in the three studio albums and a couple of Tossers, hit shuffle and you you have your night and drinking schedule set!
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Post by Ol Jimmy on Sept 19, 2004 16:53:34 GMT -5
Okay, upon a week's reflection, I'm upgrading my opinion of the album.
While some of it seems like "filler", there are three or four solid tracks (Queen Anne, 7 Deadly Sins, Don't Let Me Die) along with at least two absolutely brilliant numbers. Factory Girls still sends me into bliss, and Wailing Wall is an absolute punk rock masterpiece. It's directly political but very poetic and preachy... reminds me of why I listen to this genre... and the McAlpine's fusiliers riff isn't overplayed.
All in all, the strongest material on the album is the slow stuff. Don't Let Me Die is very Tom Waits-ish, and I love that. And as far as ripping other songs goes... I think that FM have become sick of being constantly compared to the Pogues, so they write songs (Tobacco, Bag Of Bricks) that are direct ripoffs as a way of thumbing their nose at those people: Look, we can sound almost exactly like the Pogues, and our huge young fan base still adores us. I admire that kind of balls.
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Post by brutus on Sept 23, 2004 17:09:12 GMT -5
Yeah. Gotta say I liked the first two better myself. There's some things that I like on the new one but nothing really grabs me like the first two did. There isn't a song that doesn't affect me on the first two records. On this one, however, I can't hardly remember what most of the songs sound like. They just tend to fade into one another. Queen Anne's stands out and so does Factory Girls (probably because Lucinda Williams adds some fine, but brief vocals). I guess it seems like they tried to force their Irish sound onto straight, blandish punk rock songs. The first two records blended the punk and the folk seamlessly. This one seems like the two were forced together. But that's just me. I like the folk more than the punk sounds which is why I like the Tossers but not the Dropkicks.
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Post by TheBlackStuff on Sept 23, 2004 23:00:03 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Brutus on this one.
I went out and got this one the first day, and was a bit let down. Nothing really grabbed me either. It's not a bad effort and I enjoy it but nothing like the first two.
Whiskey Trekker has a good point though..."The three albums on constant rotation makes for one great night"
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Post by Barnacle Brian on Sept 26, 2004 16:53:10 GMT -5
1. Swagger 2. Within A Mile From Home 3. Drunken Lullabies
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Post by OHara on Sept 26, 2004 20:18:48 GMT -5
What do you mean by "...they borrowed Macalpines for wailing wall and, south australia for seven deadly sings"? I don't see the comparrisons. Also, just food for thought, South Australia was not written by The Pogues; it's a traditional.
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 27, 2004 0:47:30 GMT -5
Of course south australia is a traditional. Do really not hear those tunes in the songs? Sail away where no ball and chain Can keep us from the roarin' waves...
Heave away haul away...
listen to that part. its the same.
And the first part of screaming is from mcalpines.
I dont really care that they use traditional songs. They have just been pissing me off lately. kinda gone to shit if you ask me. blah
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Post by OHara on Sept 27, 2004 12:18:19 GMT -5
I guess I hear a little instrumental similarities between Macalpines and Wailing, but Macalpines is in the key of G, and Wailing is in the key of A; completely different notes. The only similarity between 7 Deadly Sins and South Austraila that I see is that they both refer to boats at some point in the song. Maybe that's just me.
I can think of about 10 songs off the top of my head that are nearly identical, instrumentally: A nation once again, MacAlpines fusilers, ratlin bog, all for me grog, wild rover...they're all G, C, D. Also, check out "Hills of Connemara" and DKM's "Dirty Glass". They're indentical.
There are only so many chords on a guitar.
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 27, 2004 17:00:19 GMT -5
I was talking about mellody not chords.... Also mcalpines fusiliers has been played in several different keys (I've heard it in G, A and D) If I sound like I'm arguing with ya ...I'm not. Just saying what I hear. And I respect your opinion just as much. Its funny, in some of the trad. tunes my band plays its the same exact chord progression just in diffent keys. Swallow tail reel is Am and G, Paddy on the turnpike is Gm and F, Limerick rake is Em and D... All the exact same progression. Yet the tunes sound nothing alike when the mellody is played. Sorry for the mostly off topic post.
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Post by Tosser McWank on Sept 27, 2004 18:51:47 GMT -5
I thought this was a flogging molly thread... Not Music 101.
Bollocks! ;D
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 27, 2004 19:18:34 GMT -5
haha.
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Post by goodbar on Sept 27, 2004 19:24:42 GMT -5
seven deadly sins and south australia don't really sound anything alike to me
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 27, 2004 19:58:19 GMT -5
weird. thats the first thing i thought when i heard that song. Maybe Im just crazy. The verse dosnt sound anything like it. ...the chorus does. Anyways. I was fairly disapointed with this CD. A couple good songs but most of it was just boring to listen to. I'm going to go listen to mutiny now.
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Post by Ol Jimmy on Sept 28, 2004 14:49:51 GMT -5
Hey y'all, take it from a guy who does this for a living and has played sessions from Vancouver to Berlin.... MacAlpine's, Streams of Whiskey, S. Australia, Run Runaway and even Tom Waits' "Lucky Day"(50 points for the guy who spots the FM song on that on).... without these songs there would be no new Flogging Molly album, or it would be drastically reduced. The melodies *are* nearly identical in parts, but the songs are augmented by strong original melodies as well.
Nonetheless, these guys are still the kings, debuting at #20 on Billboard for a paddypunk band is something none of us would ever have thought would happen, and it's really good for the scene in general.
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 28, 2004 15:22:24 GMT -5
I have to differ on the #20 thing. When a band gets popular like that its fans start listening to them because they are popular. not because of the music. and the whole scene surounding the band turns to shit. (in my opinion)
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Post by NJPADDY on Sept 28, 2004 15:35:20 GMT -5
FM is ok, but I tire of them quickly. Personally I'm looking forward to the new Siobhan CD.
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Post by goodbar on Sept 28, 2004 19:05:31 GMT -5
I have to differ on the #20 thing. When a band gets popular like that its fans start listening to them because they are popular. not because of the music. and the whole scene surounding the band turns to shit. (in my opinion) i agree.
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Post by OHara on Sept 28, 2004 22:56:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the melodies do sound the same...just different keys for Macalpines and wailing. I must say though, and I'm sure most of you will agree with me on this one...lots of Irish groups, whether traditional, or paddy punk (for lack of a better term), use these chord progressions because that's what makes it sound Irish. Kind of like why blues musicians use a lot of 12-bar blues scales.
I like talking about Irish music, and like playing it even more. Seems like there are a lot of Irish musicians on the board; maybe dedicate a section of the board for Irish musicians to exhange ideas and find other musicians to jam with?
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Post by RumRebellion on Sept 28, 2004 23:31:55 GMT -5
I've got some forums up on my ab webpage that your welcome to talk all things music related on... Only 3 members so far though so it might be best to post here instead.... www.folkpunktabs.com/phpBB2/index.phpWhat instrument do you play? My band really needs a bohdran and some type of bass.
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Post by OHara on Sept 29, 2004 16:04:21 GMT -5
Mainly acoustic guitar and sing, but played bass for 8 years, play a little electric guitar, and have played bodhran for over a year. We're looking for a bassist too...so far we have uillieann/highland pipes, mando, guitar, drums, and 2 vocalists.
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Post by NJPADDY on Oct 1, 2004 13:43:24 GMT -5
Hey Ol Jimmy, when can we get our grubby paws on Welfare State? Jakey's Gone to Germany is better than any song on this FM CD.
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Post by BarroomHeroine on Oct 1, 2004 16:01:32 GMT -5
Am listening to the CD as I type, with a large glass of Baileys in my other hand - my copy arrived on the doormat this morning. Not a bad track as far as I'm concerned, a masterpiece indeed! I know I'm going to show myself up here, so I apologise for my stupidity in advance. Who exactly is Lucinda Williams, I really don't know Roll on November 20th, that's all I can say ;D BRH
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Post by AtrusDent on Oct 19, 2004 19:51:39 GMT -5
Lucinda Williams is a bluegrass singer. She's quite good actually. Also, I think Flogging Molly is fantastic to the Paddy Punk scene, as has been stated above. Aside from Dropkick Murphys, which many can't recognize as Paddy Punk, since half they don't sound like you think, Flogging Molly is just about the only Paddy Punk band that a non-enthusiast might have heard of, and if Flogging Molly can get more people into this, well than more power ot them.
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