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Post by TheBlackStuff on Apr 19, 2005 1:44:18 GMT -5
MacGowan remains hopeful...
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Post by brutus on Apr 19, 2005 1:52:50 GMT -5
heh heh heh.
Black smoke. White smoke...Green smoke? Bottle of Smoke???
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 19, 2005 11:34:47 GMT -5
I heard Bono was trying for it...
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 19, 2005 11:35:35 GMT -5
...But they don't have a hat that fits!!!
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Post by brutus on Apr 19, 2005 17:02:35 GMT -5
A German pope? And everybody thought the church was going to get out of the 16th century and elect an African or Latin American. Hell, more than half of all Catholics live in Latin America. Maybe next time. Or the next.
But my money was on Sinead O'Conner. There's a wasted $20.
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Post by AtrusDent on Apr 19, 2005 20:29:37 GMT -5
Thank God they didn't choose Sinead. It'd look kind of odd to have her tearing up pictures of herself, woudln't it?
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Post by brutus on Apr 19, 2005 22:30:44 GMT -5
Thank God they didn't choose Sinead. It'd look kind of odd to have her tearing up pictures of herself, woudln't it? Too funny. But for a 14 year old how do you know about that? Didn't that happen around the time you were born? |
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 19, 2005 23:51:04 GMT -5
We pick on the young ones to mourn our own passing youth.
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Post by brutus on Apr 20, 2005 0:05:10 GMT -5
heyyy I'm only 26! Yeah I'm getting old I guess. Nah fuck that!
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Post by goodbar on Apr 20, 2005 0:19:52 GMT -5
is the new guy that one that's a former hitler youth?
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 20, 2005 8:05:36 GMT -5
is the new guy that one that's a former hitler youth? Yup. Welcome back, Papal Scandals. We've missed you! |
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Post by brutus on Apr 20, 2005 12:39:02 GMT -5
And he's the architect of JP II's harsh conservative doctrines.
Hooray for no contraceptives! Soon everyone will have aids!
That son of a bitch.
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Post by Aogfc on Apr 20, 2005 14:51:03 GMT -5
Brutus.. Your avatar freaks me out....
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Post by brutus on Apr 20, 2005 16:40:45 GMT -5
Yeah me too. I can't remember where I found it.
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Post by Barnacle Brian on Apr 21, 2005 9:15:23 GMT -5
is the new guy that one that's a former hitler youth? Yeah he was, but I think at that time every German youth was forced to serve in the Hitler Army. |
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Post by Barnacle Brian on Apr 21, 2005 9:17:00 GMT -5
A German pope? And everybody thought the church was going to get out of the 16th century and elect an African or Latin American. Hell, more than half of all Catholics live in Latin America. Maybe next time. Or the next. quote] I'm shocked it wasn't a guy from Latin America or Africa. Wait a minute, it's the Vatican.... I'm not shocked at all. |
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Post by brutus on Apr 21, 2005 13:28:28 GMT -5
Yeah he was, but I think at that time every German youth was forced to serve in the Hitler Army. He also deserted from the army and saw the church as a force against naziism. That's cool. It's just his medieval attitudes towards everything else that pisses me off. |
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 21, 2005 15:49:29 GMT -5
He's like 78!
Vatican set him up to prime the next pope. "Transitional" I believe they are calling him. I can't believe he will be under the miter for too long.
But the biggest problem with him is his "hard-lined conservativism" combined with the whole idea of "Papal Infallibility." This says that when discussing the faith or its doctrines, the Holy Spirit will not allow him to make a mistake or a heresy. Thusly he is Infallible.
Roughly translated: We're screwed.
See y'all in hell. Save me a seat!
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Post by NJPADDY on Apr 23, 2005 6:27:13 GMT -5
But the biggest problem with him is his "hard-lined conservativism" combined with the whole idea of "Papal Infallibility." Oh no, you mean George Bush is the new Pope? |
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Post by SingloudSingproud on Apr 23, 2005 7:25:39 GMT -5
the guy looks a bit on the creepy side if you ask me....lol
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Post by TheBlackStuff on Apr 24, 2005 2:31:03 GMT -5
Auchtung alle Planeten der Solarvereinigung-
Auchtung alle Planeten der Solarvereinigung-
Auchtung alle Planeten der Solarvereinigung
haben wir Steuerung angenommen.
Wir haben Steuerung angenommen.
Wir haben Steuerung angenommen...
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Post by AtrusDent on Apr 25, 2005 19:27:54 GMT -5
Imagine how much that would suck to be a 'transition" pope. Like getting in to the Illumanati, but finding out you're the one evryone picks on behind your back. I don't much care for his conservative ideas, but I'm kinda hoping he'll hang on till he's 120 or something, just to show those Cardinal bastards whose who.
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Post by Professor Gommel on Apr 25, 2005 19:38:52 GMT -5
No kidding!
Just referring to him as a "transitional" pope at 78 means the Vatican expects him to be dead soon. Do they expect him to be all sunshine and buttercups with THAT hanging over him?
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Post by Professor Gommel on May 1, 2005 22:05:33 GMT -5
NOW the buzz is about a doomsday prophecy from the 12th century when some saint, St. Malachy, reknowned for his gift of second sight said there will be only 112 more popes 'til the end of the world. Benedict XVI is the 111th and fits the prophecy's description of the second to last pope.
(It's always something.)
If the cardinals knew of this, and believed in it, I'd would think they'd have chosen someone a bit younger!
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Post by Bill on May 13, 2005 13:35:52 GMT -5
As per usual people are misquoting Catholic teaching regarding contrceptives/aids. The Catholic Church promote abstinance. If people in countries were aids is rampant practised this, there would be no problem. They do not promote people sleeping around with inumerable partners. They promote one partner sanctified through marraige. I am no expert on Catholicism nor am I a great exponent of it, but I believe in today's world it is very easy to blame the Church for a number of things. In fact I would go as far as saying that it is fashionable. I believe in fairness and it is just too easy for people to shoot their mouths off without any concrete evidence.
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Post by brutus on May 13, 2005 16:04:13 GMT -5
As per usual people are misquoting Catholic teaching regarding contrceptives/aids. The Catholic Church promote abstinance. If people in countries were aids is rampant practised this, there would be no problem. They do not promote people sleeping around with inumerable partners. They promote one partner sanctified through marraige. I am no expert on Catholicism nor am I a great exponent of it, but I believe in today's world it is very easy to blame the Church for a number of things. In fact I would go as far as saying that it is fashionable. I believe in fairness and it is just too easy for people to shoot their mouths off without any concrete evidence. Yes it is fashionable to bash the church right now. BUT they did set themselves up for it didn't they? If they had defrocked priests and let the police investigate them then there wouldn't be such an outcry right now. But instead they screwed themselves by ordering bishops and cardinals to cover up abuse allegations. Once that got out woah! It hit the fan. Who made the decision to order the cover ups? The new Pope of course. He made that decision to order the cover ups instead of punishing these bastards. More church mistakes? WWII. The church says to Mussolini (and in effect Hitler) that we will not condemn the actions of the axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan) if you promise not to harm Rome and we get to stay in power. The holocaust was no secret but the church kept its mouth shut. |
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Post by WaxiesDargle on May 13, 2005 20:40:14 GMT -5
The Church helped to hide Jewish people that were on the run from the Naxis and the Pope was invovled in a plot to Kill Hitler.
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Post by bill on May 15, 2005 6:12:32 GMT -5
Yes it is fashionable to bash the church right now. BUT they did set themselves up for it didn't they? If they had defrocked priests and let the police investigate them then there wouldn't be such an outcry right now. But instead they screwed themselves by ordering bishops and cardinals to cover up abuse allegations. Once that got out woah! It hit the fan. Who made the decision to order the cover ups? The new Pope of course. He made that decision to order the cover ups instead of punishing these bastards. The Church has indeed made mistakes, but do you think it is fair to 'tar them all with the same brush.' Imagine if that happened to another grouping, like for instance, saying that all Jews are money graping bastards. That would be incorrect and naive to say such a thing, and just imagine the outcry, and rightly so. All I'm saying is that it is unfair to prejudge them all. More church mistakes? WWII. The church says to Mussolini (and in effect Hitler) that we will not condemn the actions of the axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan) if you promise not to harm Rome and we get to stay in power. The holocaust was no secret but the church kept its mouth shut. If the holocaust was no secret, why didn't other people act. All these people who condemn the Church regarding this aspect never seem to condemn other institutions that were prevalent at the time, like some Protestant organizations, why not? Because history has been shaped in such a way as to prevent this. Who are the prominent historians of the 20th century? Well my friend they are mostly biased in their condemnation of the Church. As a student of history I have studied intensely the period in question and I believe that alot of the writings on the period are very one sided.Regarding Mussolini, when signing the Latern Treaty with the Church, he promised religious freedom, which he delivered upon until he did not need the Church anymore. Also, it is well documented that the Church did try and help some of the Jews, probably not enough though. But realistically , do you believe they had any power over such a powerful regime, I dont think so. |
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Post by bill on May 15, 2005 6:28:02 GMT -5
Yes it is fashionable to bash the church right now. BUT they did set themselves up for it didn't they? If they had defrocked priests and let the police investigate them then there wouldn't be such an outcry right now. But instead they screwed themselves by ordering bishops and cardinals to cover up abuse allegations. Once that got out woah! It hit the fan. Who made the decision to order the cover ups? The new Pope of course. He made that decision to order the cover ups instead of punishing these bastards. More church mistakes? WWII. The church says to Mussolini (and in effect Hitler) that we will not condemn the actions of the axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan) if you promise not to harm Rome and we get to stay in power. The holocaust was no secret but the church kept its mouth shut. Yes indeed the Church has mistakes in the past, but do you think it is fair to tar them all with the one brush. Imagine some one was to say that all Jews are money graping bastards, imagine the outcry and rightly so. That would be a terrible, naive thing to say and to bellieve. Apply the scenario to the Catholic Church and no one bats an eye-lid. Regarding the holocaust, if it was common knowledge why didn't anyone else act? The Church did try to help Jews out but probably should have done more. The Church were not very powerful in comparison to such overwhelming odds. Who are the most prominent historians of the 20th century? They are mostly all united in their condemnation of the Church, ever wondered why this is so? Most histories of the period are just peoples opinion of what happened and popular believe. Source material of the period reveals a completely different picture.Again it is unpopular and unfasionable to investigate it, and outside academic circles, this history, for the most part, is ignored. Why? |
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Post by bill on May 15, 2005 6:30:12 GMT -5
sorry to post similar points twice but Im not very good with computers-my mistake
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