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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Nov 25, 2005 23:33:09 GMT -5
A Chairde, Throughout the years, people have been especially mindful of Irish Republican Prisoners during the holiday season. Recognizing this, the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners (CGRP) have recently launched our first annual Christmas Appeal campaign. The CGRP Christmas Appeal directly benefits our E4 Republican POW's and their dependents. We are asking for donations of all sizes, whatever amount you feel you can afford, every donation counts. Please visit our CGRP website at www.CGRP.info to make a secure monetary contribution through paypal, or write us at membership@CGRP.info for other payment options. As Ireland's struggle for freedom continues, we must not neglect those who have given their freedom for their country. Let us take this time to remember Irish Political Prisoners of all persuasion held in British hell holes and deprived of the political status they so deserve. Please take the time to visit the CGRP website and make a donation to this very worthy cause. On Behalf of the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners, Nollaig Shona agus Blian Úr faoi Mhaise Duit. (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year) Please visit our website at www.CGRP.info to make a donation.
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Nov 25, 2005 23:34:06 GMT -5
Please keep stupid anti-Republican comments off this thread, thanks.
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Post by vespasian on Apr 21, 2006 7:09:52 GMT -5
What the f..., Im a new member to this site and was just browsing, cant believe this. People who know nothing of Irish politics intefering in the affairs of my country. Any one who knows anything of democracy will know that Ireland is free, it is a republic. The people of the island who are not included have the democratic right not to be. Anyway, someone who contributes to thieves and drug pushers, which is what "republicans" are these days,must have mental problems A Chairde, Throughout the years, people have been especially mindful of Irish Republican Prisoners during the holiday season. Recognizing this, the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners (CGRP) have recently launched our first annual Christmas Appeal campaign. The CGRP Christmas Appeal directly benefits our E4 Republican POW's and their dependents. We are asking for donations of all sizes, whatever amount you feel you can afford, every donation counts. Please visit our CGRP website at www.CGRP.info to make a secure monetary contribution through paypal, or write us at membership@CGRP.info for other payment options. As Ireland's struggle for freedom continues, we must not neglect those who have given their freedom for their country. Let us take this time to remember Irish Political Prisoners of all persuasion held in British hell holes and deprived of the political status they so deserve. Please take the time to visit the CGRP website and make a donation to this very worthy cause. On Behalf of the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners, Nollaig Shona agus Blian Úr faoi Mhaise Duit. (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year) Please visit our website at www.CGRP.info to make a donation.
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Post by Captain Kelly's Bollocks on Apr 21, 2006 10:20:17 GMT -5
What the f..., Im a new member to this site and was just browsing, cant believe this. People who know nothing of Irish politics intefering in the affairs of my country. Any one who knows anything of democracy will know that Ireland is free, it is a republic. The people of the island who are not included have the democratic right not to be. Anyway, someone who contributes to thieves and drug pushers, which is what "republicans" are these days,must have mental problems A Chairde, Throughout the years, people have been especially mindful of Irish Republican Prisoners during the holiday season. Recognizing this, the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners (CGRP) have recently launched our first annual Christmas Appeal campaign. The CGRP Christmas Appeal directly benefits our E4 Republican POW's and their dependents. We are asking for donations of all sizes, whatever amount you feel you can afford, every donation counts. Please visit our CGRP website at www.CGRP.info to make a secure monetary contribution through paypal, or write us at membership@CGRP.info for other payment options. As Ireland's struggle for freedom continues, we must not neglect those who have given their freedom for their country. Let us take this time to remember Irish Political Prisoners of all persuasion held in British hell holes and deprived of the political status they so deserve. Please take the time to visit the CGRP website and make a donation to this very worthy cause. On Behalf of the Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners, Nollaig Shona agus Blian Úr faoi Mhaise Duit. (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year) Please visit our website at www.CGRP.info to make a donation. somewhere back in the last year or so we had a thread where most people took a stand against the republicans. very few on this board support Waxie's_Dargle opinion. Welcome to the boards.
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Post by GreenfordBhoy on Apr 21, 2006 13:13:40 GMT -5
I would call myself a Republician..support the good friday agreement and the ceasefire....As for Reublicians being "thieves and drug pushers" Does that inculde Bertie Ahern and his "Repuplician Party"??
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Apr 22, 2006 20:23:27 GMT -5
very few on this board support Waxie's_Dargle opinion. Welcome to the boards. Which is funny seeing that most people on here love to listen to songs such as the Broad Black Brimmer, the Auld Triangle, and Come Out Ye Black and Tans. Maybe you should find out what those songs are really about. vespasian, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. But if you really think Republicans are drug dealers maybe you are the one who needs his head checked.
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Post by goodbar on Apr 22, 2006 21:48:34 GMT -5
is it a sin for me to like songs in gaelic? because i don't know what the hell any of those are about.
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Post by goodbar on Apr 22, 2006 21:50:31 GMT -5
very few on this board support Waxie's_Dargle opinion. Welcome to the boards. vespasian, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. But if you really think Republicans are drug dealers maybe you are the one who needs his head checked. he's the one who's actually from ireland, so i wouldn't give him that much shit.
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Post by Captain Kelly's Bollocks on Apr 23, 2006 7:16:18 GMT -5
very few on this board support Waxie's_Dargle opinion. Welcome to the boards. Which is funny seeing that most people on here love to listen to songs such as the Broad Black Brimmer, the Auld Triangle, and Come Out Ye Black and Tans. Maybe you should find out what those songs are really about. vespasian, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. But if you really think Republicans are drug dealers maybe you are the one who needs his head checked. Like I said in the older thread about the IRA, most of the music you just referenced is from back when the IRA was legit and not a terrorist group. They were referring to the IRA that got part of Ireland's freedom in a time when the Irish catholics were being persecuted. Now I'm not a big historian on the issue but, the IRA has changed a lot since then in a negative way. There is nothing wrong about listening to traditional songs that tell a story like most songs do. Not to mention the stories are from a long time ago not the present situation. It's people like you who don't take the song for what it is and try to sell it as propganda to recruit and contribute to the innocent killings of people. With that said, I'm of Irish descent living in the U.S., somewhat like 3rd generation I believe. I would love to see Northern Ireland get handed over and have the British gov't's connections cut off but violence is not the way to do so and never should have been the way of choice. From history you have seen great leaders like Gandhi or Martin Luther King who were able to achieve freedom with non violence. It's time that the IRA, which are now trying to politically as a party, step up and try something new.
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Post by Paddy Rollingstone on Apr 23, 2006 14:09:21 GMT -5
Please no more politics - this is a music board . Honestly, does anyone know anybody whose political views have been changed by a internet/message board post? Nobody? Thought so. It's boring and just disintegrates in to pointless name calling.
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Apr 23, 2006 14:58:28 GMT -5
Sorry a chara. I just had to reply to what was said here, I try not to post much politics on here as most of what I'd have to say would go over the heads of the vast majority of the posters, which is fine, this is a music forum. I posted this thread as I know there are some people on here who maybe interested.
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Post by vespasian on Apr 24, 2006 7:48:50 GMT -5
Sorry, but I believe I must reply to such a serious and ridiculus slur. Over here in Ireland, there have been multiple cases of 'republicans' being caught for numerous offences. This include protection rackets, money laundering, bank robbing, drug dealing, cop killing, kidnapping etc, etc. It is common knowledge in Ireland that this is true, there are people in prison for such crimes which have solid links to the so called 'republican movement.' Last week in County Carlow, a 'republican' prisoner, released under the terms of the good friday agreement, was captured after attempting to hijack a truck carrying vodka. These are not the type of people who are interested in politics, they use politics ie,republicanism as a smokesscreen for crime of all sorts. They allude to a 'war' but nobody in Ireland wants this 'war' and see it as pure selfish crusade, on the part of criminals. All of what I have mentioned are facts, there is substantial evidence to prove these crimes if one would actually read some fair and impartial reports or even fair and impartial newspapers. People, with the attitude displayed at the beginning of this thread are completely dillusional. Why dont they consider FACTS before preaching rubbish that they must have heard or read from a very questionable source. We in Ireland are sick of people intefering with the politcs of our country. In the majority of cases these people have no clue of the issues. They may have been brought up listening to one warped opinion of the troubles for example. Essentially, these people are very unhelpful when the people of Ireland, through democratric means, north and south, want to achieve the dream of lasting peace, we know there is nothing wrong with this. The annoying thing is that so called 'republicans' abroad, help to prolong the difficulties while only using the issue as an identity of some sort. I believe these people should firstly, get involved in their own country's politics, and secondly, please, please, please do not get involved in our country's politics until they have trully educated themselves on the matter, and above all be reasonable. At the moment in Ireland we have the problem of splinter groups being caught making bombs for the so called struggle, and on the other hand, being caught for smuggling ciggerettes, alcohol, drugs etc. When will people realize that these people are nothing but thieves and murderers, whose interest it is in to maintain the 'struggle'. Supporters of such dispicable organizations should question themselves and above all, should think for themselves. Over here in Ireland, we know the issues far better than anybody because we have to live with them. very few on this board support Waxie's_Dargle opinion. Welcome to the boards. Which is funny seeing that most people on here love to listen to songs such as the Broad Black Brimmer, the Auld Triangle, and Come Out Ye Black and Tans. Maybe you should find out what those songs are really about. vespasian, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. But if you really think Republicans are drug dealers maybe you are the one who needs his head checked.
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Post by vespasian on Apr 24, 2006 7:53:11 GMT -5
PS, Just a couple of quick corrections. 1. You used 'a chara', when the correct term is mo chara. 2. The Auld Triange is a song about prostitutes who used to hang out by thr Royal Canal just outside Mountjoy Prison in Dublin. Sorry a chara. I just had to reply to what was said here, I try not to post much politics on here as most of what I'd have to say would go over the heads of the vast majority of the posters, which is fine, this is a music forum. I posted this thread as I know there are some people on here who maybe interested.
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Post by Paddy Rollingstone on Apr 24, 2006 10:22:29 GMT -5
can you please take this somewhere else.
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Post by Captain Kelly's Bollocks on Apr 24, 2006 10:37:41 GMT -5
can you please take this somewhere else. is it really such a big deal if we have a political thread? its up to you, but I imagine a few people here would like to talk politics from time to time. then again this is a music board, its up to you, just making a suggestion.
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Post by GreenfordBhoy on Apr 25, 2006 14:38:06 GMT -5
alot of band featured and others discussed on this board sing political songs so I would think a political thread now and again will does have a place on here...but as CKB's sez it is upto you
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Post by Paddy Rollingstone on Apr 25, 2006 15:27:55 GMT -5
alot of band featured and others discussed on this board sing political songs so I would think a political thread now and again will does have a place on here...but as CKB's sez it is upto you Honestly I don't care if people want to talk politics I just can't stand the silly bickering and the i'm more Irish then you crap. As far as I'm concerned everyone is welcome here - green, red or even orange
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Apr 26, 2006 16:09:02 GMT -5
All I will say is this. No Republican is in Jail for drugs, in fact in the past month or so there have been 2 cases where Republicans have taken action against drug dealers in the North, if you want links about it just ask.
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Post by Captain Kelly's Bollocks on Apr 26, 2006 17:18:14 GMT -5
All I will say is this. No Republican is in Jail for drugs, in fact in the past month or so there have been 2 cases where Republicans have taken action against drug dealers in the North, if you want links about it just ask. sterotypes never apply to every single person in a group. not all are like that but a good deal have gone in that direction. all I got to say about Sinn Fein now that the IRA supposedly disbanded is that they try to gain their freedom through politics and any peaceful way.
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Post by vespasian on Apr 27, 2006 8:56:34 GMT -5
Yes, 'taken action', do you know what this means? Obviously not! 'Taken action' means beating people up and taking the law in to their own hands. Anyone who subscribes to democracy knows there can only be one police force and one justice system. When people start taking the law in to their own hands it is the beginning of the end of the particular democracy. Also, when these 'republicans' 'take action', they are doing so in order to move in on the territory to increase their own drug sales. Republicans also have plenty of protection rackets throughout the island of Ireland. This 'taken action' was probably a beef over protection money or the like but is peddled by the 'republicans' as some sort of escapade againt drug dealers. Again, no one in Ireland who follows these things seriously believes the 'republicans' in this and similar matters. It is as if the only believers are those who support them unquestionably and those who have blind faith in the 'republican' leadership, of what ever strand. There are numerous 'republicans' in prison for drug crimes. As I mentioned if you read unbiased articles you will discover this, not by reading partisan republican propaganda. I bet those links you mentioned earlier are run by 'republicans' or at least have 'republican' sympathies. I prefer to read unbiased articles and then make my own mind up, instead of others making my mind up for me. When it comes to the situation in Ireland I think it is extremely important to check one sources before one goes spouting their mouth off. This is how they fund their activities. All I will say is this. No Republican is in Jail for drugs, in fact in the past month or so there have been 2 cases where Republicans have taken action against drug dealers in the North, if you want links about it just ask.
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Post by GreenfordBhoy on Apr 27, 2006 13:21:04 GMT -5
What Republican's are you talking about vespasian??
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Apr 27, 2006 17:50:30 GMT -5
For someone who claims to live in Ireland you really know shit about what goes on there. If Republicans were so heavily involved in Drugs, there would be Republicans arrested and in jail for drug offences. There are NONE.
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Post by Captain Kelly's Bollocks on Apr 27, 2006 22:47:44 GMT -5
For someone who claims to live in Ireland you really know shit about what goes on there. If Republicans were so heavily involved in Drugs, there would be Republicans arrested and in jail for drug offences. There are NONE. According to your location you live in Chicago? From Chicago you can see the prisons in Ireland and can conclude that none of the republicans are there for drug offences? Wow you have some great insight. Then you accuse someone who lives in Ireland that they know less about their countries politics than a random American like yourself? Mabey you should try to make your way over to Ireland some time and experience it for yourself and then draw a accurate conclusion than just reading about what some person whether biased or not thinks.
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Post by Waxie's_Dargle on Apr 27, 2006 22:54:42 GMT -5
Mabey you should try to make your way over to Ireland some time and experience it for yourself and then draw a accurate conclusion than just reading about what some person whether biased or not thinks. I have. And I am not some random American. I have a pretty good idea of what happening in Ireland through friends and family there, and staying there myself.
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Post by zipper on Apr 27, 2006 22:57:25 GMT -5
Both sides of the argument have valid points, and there's no easy solution.
Let's all just agree to disagree and respect other's views.
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Post by GreenfordBhoy on Apr 29, 2006 5:36:46 GMT -5
Gerry Adams on your advartar vespasian???
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Post by vespasian on May 8, 2006 9:27:37 GMT -5
You are very selective to the issues you reply to, and also extremely shallow. Instead of just saying I know shit, why dont you actually deal with the issues. That is the trouble with your type, you cant defend your position so you take the argument to a low level by name calling or the like.
Did any of your one sided sources happen to mention that two rira members are being held in spain for smuggling? Didnt think so, they were caught a few days ago. As you know they are only the latest in an extremely long line, actually you probably dont know because your one sided sources never mention this, do they?
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Post by vespasian on May 8, 2006 9:33:01 GMT -5
Not me who put that there. Im sure it must have been some dumbass administrator who is afraid of intelligent debate Gerry Adams on your advartar vespasian???
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Post by vespasian on May 8, 2006 9:39:04 GMT -5
It was a good one though, Ill admit that!(im reasonable) I find it ironic that people who want plastic bullets banned are the people who represent those who plant bombs etc. As a reasonable person, I think plastic bullets are the lesser of two evils. As for Mary Lou, she is the laughing stock of all those interested in politics. If you could you should try and seek out some of her tv appearances in ireland, they are trully great entertainment. Gerry Adams on your advartar vespasian???
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Post by GreenfordBhoy on May 8, 2006 12:28:28 GMT -5
If you are talking about Gerry Adams he has not represented anyone who plants bomb since 98 as there has been a ceasefire.... As for Mary Lou aint seen any of her on TV as I do not live in Ireland, so i cannot comment... Just wondering do you as strongly condem the Loyalists??
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